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WILLY TROPICAL
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:09:00 -
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I'll try to keep it short because English isn't my mother language.
To the point:
I've been playing EVE for almost 2 years and i'm quite happy with the game but there is a thing i still don't understand and i'm starting to get tired of it: the risk vs reward. Please don't get me wrong, i don't care how much money the people can make running incursions, L4s.. etc, but i think it would be a good idea to give us (the null sec little solo/small corp players) a bigger reward because we are taking more risks after all.
The thing is, i can make more money in high sec than in null 99% of the time. Sure, sometimes i get a Macha BPC and stuff like that but why aren't the bounties/mission rewards/LP payments much better? Running a L4 in Curse isn't like running a L4 in Lonetrek high sec.
I'm not asking for a high sec nerf because i respect all playstyles but if i want to make money in little time i have to go high sec and i don't like to do that because i like living in null. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:15:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:If you make more money in high-sec then you do in null-sec then you're doing null-sec wrong 
I'm not part of a big alliance with dead end farming systems. I live with another 2 guys in null npc. I explore, run missions etc, but sometimes i can't because other lads are trying to hug my boat. If i see combat probes in space, i have to stop because if i don't warp away bad stuff will happen.
In high sec, i don't have to warp away never. It is mission after mission after mission.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:35:00 -
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The difference is that my Ishtar is enough reason to titan bridge on me, and the same Ishtar is ignored in high sec. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I know how you feel, I run high sec incursions and do sisters of eve and trust partners missions. I don't still go to my alliances ratting systems from time to time for a change up, but there are always neutrals about and I get interrupted a lot, which is fine because this is EVE but it makes it's where I think "why bother, i'll just go to high sec for what I need".
Yeah, thank you for understand what i'm trying to say. I have give a try to Incursions too. Maybe these fleets will count with a new Machariel soon. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gilbaron wrote:so you live in NPC nullsec and complain about not making enough money with your lvl 5 missions ? you are doing it wrong. lvl 5 missions for pirates and PI are the only two things where nullsec is clearly superior over highsec. Yea, love me some pirate lvl 5 missions. I do them alot when I'm not doing 20/10 DED plexes or Wormhole Incursions...... (for those who can't take a hint, Pirate lvl 5 missions don't exist).
He's a nulli secunda guy, please understand his limitations.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:27:00 -
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Dace Onio wrote:CeeCeePees they has more shtuff than me pweez nerfvs it or make my stuffs better
Nullbear tears are the sweetest
I already said that i respect all the playstyles of eve and i don't care where others live or make money, but if eve is based on the risk vs reward, we should see more rewards in some places.
I have nothing against high sec, your bait post is a failure. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:04:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:WILLY TROPICAL wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote:If you make more money in high-sec then you do in null-sec then you're doing null-sec wrong  I'm not part of a big alliance with dead end farming systems. I live with another 2 guys in null npc. I explore, run missions etc, but sometimes i can't because other lads are trying to hug my boat. If i see combat probes in space, i have to stop because if i don't warp away bad stuff will happen. In high sec, i don't have to warp away never. It is mission after mission after mission. Wait I think you're perverting the idea of risk/reward. You mean to say that you, the single player who is taking a huge risk, should not be interfered with by that organized alliance actively patrolling and defending their space, probing you out, etc - since after all there are 30 of them they are taking no risk. So all reward to you and not to them, right?
Where did i say that? Also, i pvp too, not only pve.
The guys that try to kill me everyday also take high risks living here, and i see them everyday running away from bigger gangs, sometimes fighting smaller gangs, but i can tell you that they have my respect for being there. They deserve better stuff too, not only me.
Don't put words in my mouth that i didn't say.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:07:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:WILLY TROPICAL wrote: I'm not asking for a high sec nerf because i respect all playstyles but if i want to make money in little time i have to go high sec and i don't like to do that because i like living in null.
so basically you want CCP to remove players from 0.0 so you could run missions as safe as in empire for the better rewards?
No, i want more people on eve-o forums who can read without losing half brain. Get well soon. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:17:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
^ and that's how you do it
Good, i'm taking notes, because i never did that!! Thanks for the suggestions GD. |

WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote: No. Basically, he wants the rewards in 0.0 to be large enough to (more than) compensate for the interruptions from the players out there.
That is what i'm trying to say.
I'm ok with people scanning me, i'm ok with gate camps, i'm ok with a nomadic null lifestyle, but if i put the things i get here in a balance, the risk vs reward isn't very well compensated in eve. That is all.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:13:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jeez, another nerf hi-sec thread.
That isn't my intention at all. High sec mission runners/miners/whatever are players of the same game i enjoy, and i don't care how they play it. I said this several times already.
@Inxentas No, i live in npc null. I took part in the past of sov warfare but i really never liked it. After that i moved to npc null with 2 friends but sadly they are not very active. I lived in Venal, Curse and Delve.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:07:00 -
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I must say i don't understand your cryptic messages, Ptraci. For some reason i think that you know me and you know better than me what i've been doing in eve online for the last 2 years so i will follow your advice and i will try to adapt to null (lol) and yes you are right, i want my high sec style in null (lol again).
Ok, now seriously, if you don't read my posts, why do you respond. I'm not going to repeat everything again. Just move on.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:27:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:In EVE, risk vs reward is largely created by the players themselves. Which is pretty cool, if you ask me.
OP, if shooting at red crosses in nullsec yielded substantially more ISK (like +50% or more), I think this would happen:
1) more people would do it 2) more people would hunt the more people doing it
End result would be nullsec PVE would get harder (competition for sites/belts + more guys out to get you) so you may actually end up making roughly the same ISK/hour (net after losses) as today! Or who knows, maybe even less.
So you'd get more players in null, which is probably a good idea actually, but not necessarily more ISK per player.
Also, what's so bad about doing your pew in null and your missioning in highsec? You probably only need a jump clone and a single PVE-capable ship (that you'll hardly ever lose unless it's too shiny). In a big complex universe like EVE, wanting to do everything in the same place will inevitably be kind of inefficient - not to mention possibly boring.
You know, probably you are right. Maybe i'm being a bit stubborn and i have to say that a bit "elitist" with this "it is living in null or nothing". I will give it a try to stage in high sec, maybe run incursions, but i'm scared of losing interest in null. I've been all my eve life in 00.
So yeah, let's see what happens.
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:40:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:apparently i am stupid  i always thought the crystal army was paid by running guristas lvl 5 missions.
It's ok, no one is perfect. Sorry if i responded in a rude way too.
Nulli secunda are cool guys. Well, not really but you know what i mean 
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